If they had, he would not have been in it. His character, Robb Stark, would not be arguing with his mother, defeating the Lannisters in battle or, maybe most importantly, meeting the woman of his dreams. So I was very thankful and very pleased. She has cast a spell over Robb. It kind of just comes out of nowhere, doesn't it? I try to take those opportunities to go into something completely different and I did with that and got into a totally different kind of character mind-frame.
But you were pretty muddy. And it was worse. We had to look as if we were wet and in the trenches just coming out of these holes in the ground. So we had to kind of constantly get soaked and soaked and soaked. I need to kind of get a job that's going to take me to like Hawaii or Rio or something, right? Maybe I need to make better decisions with that. How fantastic is Joe?
I think you both were pretty good in it. How has Robb changed this year in your mind? And in Season 2, we see him much more taking things up in it and driving things as a man. But I think all the time he has to wear this mask of being a man, so that his enemies see him as a man and a formidable foe and his men see him as a true leader and not just a boy.
They pretend to be a grown-up and then eventually you find that you are one. I think Robb pretty much is genuinely a good person. Has it been difficult for you?
As an actor, I try and be like that with every part I do, but with a character that's trying to be honest it makes it even more difficult. It pushes the action and the drama in ways that a more manipulative character can maybe get out of or change to their own desire.
But with Robb, he has to react a lot more. And I can get on set and look Michelle Fairley [Catelyn] in the eye and we listen to each other and have this dialogue where we react to each other. And for me, that's one of the most exciting things to do. Oh, I think it is. Michelle is so amazing, I think. I couldn't be happier. Michelle is one of the reasons that I can get up at 3 a.
And what's lovely is I can get on set with Michelle and we can look each other in the eye and instantly get into a dialogue that's detailed and deep and subtle and challenging. Yeah, we get to see him and her connecting in a lot of ways and their relationship developing and then these fractures kind of seeping in and them both being torn in different directions.
Yeah, no as bad as that. But, yeah, that's where the relationship is going. And for Robb now, as much as he wants to get this revenge and get his family back, that's only a tiny part [of his worries].
I think Catelyn struggles to deal with that because the whole reason we started this war was for our family and now for Robb he knows that the picture is much bigger.
And I think he struggles to keep up with that and to engage with that. I quite like that. I think he is one of the most honest characters in the show, right? Every other character is driven by money or greed or lust and desire, and I think Robb is genuinely, like his father, driven to make this place the best it possible can be. So I wouldn't argue with that title.
I would agree with it. I think his honesty, his desire to follow his heart and to do the right thing is much like his father. The strength of his father was sometimes misused and misjudged. Roose Bolton wants to torture survivors, but Robb is shocked at the thought of it. I love the scene. No, Robb can't engage with that.
So then the other thing we see is the introduction of Oona Chaplin. Yeah, the first woman in his life—[laughs]—in that way, yeah. I think it takes its own life and it goes on its own journey without it being manipulated from either party. That's what kind of makes it so good, I think, is that it comes from a kind of passionate, honest place When I talked to Kit, he talked about how Jon has never really been with a woman, so the woman thing becomes problematic for him.
Is that going to be the same way with Robb, do you think? Or was he a player back in Winterfell. But with a character like Robb, we don't know. Tell me about the costumes.
Look at this costume. But the costume dictates the way I hold my posture, it dictates the way I breathe, so that effects my voice. It dictates they way I walk just through the weight of it. So all these things that I could moan about actually have been really useful for me as an actor. It helps me and it does change my voice dramatically. And so I have to try and recreate that and I realize how much the costume actually aids me in lots of ways.
Robb is pretty much absent from the second book, but the guys wanted to keep you around so they mixed things up a bit from the book. Did that make you feel good? Robb is not in it. Yeah, I read the books season by season. Is it hard to sort of stay humble and keep your eye on doing a good job? Are there a lot of distractions?
No, I don't find it hard to stay humble. That's always my main drive is to do things that challenge me. And David and Dan do that for me in the show. But, hey, I think that's good these things. It means the schedule is freed up for different programming and stuff.
I enjoyed doing it.